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according to reporting by wired, those questions and commands you share with siri can be stored on apple servers for up to two years. not a problem if you just want to know where the nearest pharmacy is. but what if you want to know where the nearest bar is? or sex club? or you ask it jokingly or in earnest how to cheat on your taxes or your wife? apple insists it can't share that information with anyone, but that hasn't stopped the aclu from expressing serious concerns over its privacy practices. but besides the obvious and now all too familiar caveat that nothing is truly private anymore, there's a reason for skepticism about apple's insistence they'll guard your secret conversations with siri. last week the house passed a vote by a 288-127 vote. it's packaged as a national security bill that allows private companies like google and facebook, to share electronic information like your e-mails and chats, with the government. it has also earned the ire of the aclu. it enjoys bipartisan support and this appoi disappointingly the backing of a surprising number of republicans, one of whom, m
according to reporting by wired, those questions and commands you share with siri can be stored on apple servers for up to two years. not a problem if you just want to know where the nearest pharmacy is. but what if you want to know where the nearest bar is? or sex club? or you ask it jokingly or in earnest how to cheat on your taxes or your wife? apple insists it can't share that information with anyone, but that hasn't stopped the aclu from expressing serious concerns over its privacy...
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. >> apples and oranges, we'll see you in the coming days, thank you, that's all for now, i'm see you back at noon when i'm joined by my panel. until then, follow us on twitter at "now" with alex. "andrea mitchell reports" is next. [ female announcer ] from more efficient payments. ♪ to more efficient pick-ups. ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ from tracking the bus. ♪ to tracking field conditions. ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ hoo-hoo...hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo hoo. sir... i'll get it together i promise... heeheehee. jimmy: ronny, how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? ronny:i'd say happier than the pillsbury doughboy on his way to a baking convention. get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
. >> apples and oranges, we'll see you in the coming days, thank you, that's all for now, i'm see you back at noon when i'm joined by my panel. until then, follow us on twitter at "now" with alex. "andrea mitchell reports" is next. [ female announcer ] from more efficient payments. ♪ to more efficient pick-ups. ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ from tracking the bus. ♪ to tracking field conditions. ♪ wireless is limitless. ♪ hoo-hoo...hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo hoo. sir......
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>> apple's decision to share cash comes in an interesting time today apple confirmed earnings dropped 18%. apple seems to be shoring up it's competence at the same time as consumers seemed to be lured away by competitors. one quarter doesn't make or break a company. but a drop does expect that margins have dropped. ceo tim cook told reporters he's frustrated but apple remains strong. apple has loyal consumers. >> when you think of a tech company what company comes to mind? >> apple. >> however, some perceptions of apple may be changing google has been very open about its foray into self driving cars and google glasses. >> this seems to dip into everything. google has kind of hit everything. >> i think google is getting justify bli a lot of credit. >> van baker tracks both companies but recognizes that google is prone to drop ideas as fast as it creates them. >> you don't know what projects goring to survive and they tend to pull the trigger on products and some projects that are quickly. >> he didn't say anything about this year. >> owning i do believe they're losing this because ther
>> apple's decision to share cash comes in an interesting time today apple confirmed earnings dropped 18%. apple seems to be shoring up it's competence at the same time as consumers seemed to be lured away by competitors. one quarter doesn't make or break a company. but a drop does expect that margins have dropped. ceo tim cook told reporters he's frustrated but apple remains strong. apple has loyal consumers. >> when you think of a tech company what company comes to mind? >>...
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>> it's been incredibility to see the collapse of apple stock. it hasn't been trading this low since november of 2011. that was right after steve jobs died. we want to explore a couple of reasons why the stock is trading so much lower. when you look at the technology business, it is almost like the movie business. you have to unveil hit after hit. the stock exchange is maturing. most people who have cell phones have smart phones. competition has never been more intense. you look at amazon creating great products. we'll be watching the earnings and the guidance. wolf. >> we'll see what happens with apple. >>> coming up, a nike t-shirt with the words boston massacre stayed on sale for days after the bombings. we'll tell you what they're doing about that coming up. ♪ [ male announcer ] we don't just certify our pre-owned vehicles. we inspect, analyze and recondition each one, until it's nothing short of a genuine certified pre-owned... mercedes-benz for the next new owner. ♪ hurry in to your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for 1.99% financing du
>> it's been incredibility to see the collapse of apple stock. it hasn't been trading this low since november of 2011. that was right after steve jobs died. we want to explore a couple of reasons why the stock is trading so much lower. when you look at the technology business, it is almost like the movie business. you have to unveil hit after hit. the stock exchange is maturing. most people who have cell phones have smart phones. competition has never been more intense. you look at amazon...
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which to leave how does an impact on this terrible tear is terrible heinous crime it we're comparing apples and oranges unfortunately. the other neal. one i think is time you have to be aware of let me just toss one thing i'm going to because a lot of these let me talk about it so this way ok the fact that matters a lot of this there's a there's a huge sort of subculture in the gun owning community of making your own ammunition and this is a hobby this is a business it's something that's becoming a bigger bigger part of gun owners lives because it is so expensive now and so what the n.r.a. was trying to do is they're sort of trying to keep that sort of registry or tracking of people who make their own ammunition you know that's nonsense so no i just said it while i still really say no it's. probably because you had an n.r.a. document at the back of the matter is that it raised about forty bob as a terrorist so that if i want to if i want to if i want to load my own shells. load my own ammunition and i buy gunpowder from a company whether it's over the internet or whether it's the gun shop d
which to leave how does an impact on this terrible tear is terrible heinous crime it we're comparing apples and oranges unfortunately. the other neal. one i think is time you have to be aware of let me just toss one thing i'm going to because a lot of these let me talk about it so this way ok the fact that matters a lot of this there's a there's a huge sort of subculture in the gun owning community of making your own ammunition and this is a hobby this is a business it's something that's...
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i think he's mixing apples and oranges and grapes. i'm not quite sure what he's saying here. >> some are saying the fact that they were muslim is not at all relevant. i don't agree. listen obviously tamerlan was influenced by his interpretation of fundamentalist islam right? on the other hand, what are you supposed to do about it. bob beckel said let's not allow student visas. there are 75,000 students that come in, only five ever linked to terrorist attacks. those are some pretty bad numbers if you want to disdiscriminate. what are you supposed to do with that knowledge? >> before we establish what we're to do to prevent future incidents like the boston bombing, we have to firmly establish whether this was a terror-related incident, or livinged to al-qaeda. once we establish that, then we'll be ail to determine what the appropriate response is. right now we're in this gray area where it looks like there may have been something of a loan wolf somewhat inspired by terror-related individuals or publications, so we have to first firmly e
i think he's mixing apples and oranges and grapes. i'm not quite sure what he's saying here. >> some are saying the fact that they were muslim is not at all relevant. i don't agree. listen obviously tamerlan was influenced by his interpretation of fundamentalist islam right? on the other hand, what are you supposed to do about it. bob beckel said let's not allow student visas. there are 75,000 students that come in, only five ever linked to terrorist attacks. those are some pretty bad...
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the news about international apple in the very heart of moscow. logs are going to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture as i speak law enforcement agents are scouring massachusetts for the surviving boston marathon bombing suspect and we have reports the shots have been fired just in the last few minutes could we have identified and caught the suspect sooner if the n.r.a. hadn't blocked chemical to requirement for gun powder back in the one nine hundred ninety s. what about this and more big picture rubble and events in boston this week have reignited debate about how to fight terrorism is it possible to defeat an idea we'll find out in tonight's edition of the bigger picture panel discussion. it's friday are you ready to rumble joining us for tonight's big picture rumble are huey newsome member of the national advisory council of project twenty one black leadership network member of move on up dot org and blogger of the objective citizen sam bennett president and.
the news about international apple in the very heart of moscow. logs are going to washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture as i speak law enforcement agents are scouring massachusetts for the surviving boston marathon bombing suspect and we have reports the shots have been fired just in the last few minutes could we have identified and caught the suspect sooner if the n.r.a. hadn't blocked chemical to requirement for gun powder back in the one nine hundred ninety...
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shareholders asking if apple's magic is fading. apple's response? it's going to reach in and give money back to shareholders. apple will give you a 2.7% return for holding apple shares. it's not as big as other stocks. it's called a dividend yield. intel 3.9%. at&t, 4.6%. altria, 5% of the dividend yield. it's way more than you get in a savings account. apple shareholders need good news. the stock down 30% the past year. apple shares up slightly in the premarket. its profits slipped a little bit, but it's still selling a lot of devices, 37.4 million iphones during three months. that averages out to 288 iphones every single minute for three months straight. apple sold 20 million ipads. but people aren't buying as many of the latest, most expensive models. they're choosing the cheaper versions like the iphone 4s, the ipad mini, and that's one reason why the stock is down because they make more money on the higher end, newer products. absolutely. >> most people who do buy apple, they have to have the latest and greatest. i guess the frietrend is kind o
shareholders asking if apple's magic is fading. apple's response? it's going to reach in and give money back to shareholders. apple will give you a 2.7% return for holding apple shares. it's not as big as other stocks. it's called a dividend yield. intel 3.9%. at&t, 4.6%. altria, 5% of the dividend yield. it's way more than you get in a savings account. apple shareholders need good news. the stock down 30% the past year. apple shares up slightly in the premarket. its profits slipped a...
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apple also raising its dividends so apple shareholders will get a little bit of a payback if they hold the stock. john, back to you in boston. >> all right, thanks so much, christine. next, we just have an incredible story to tell you about. the hero who found the surviving boston bombing suspect. he will tell you how it all went down. and reports that dzhokhar tsarnaev is doing better this morning and there are demands that he be moved. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. as does former u.s. attorney general alberto gonzales. he has crucial insight into this. you're watching a special edition of "starting point" live from boston. hwelcome back.. nice to see you again! hey! i almost didn't recognize you without the suit. well, this is my weekend suit. weekend getaways just got better. well, enjoy your round! alright, thanks! save a ton on our best available rate when you book early and feel the hamptonality. and be good for your face? [ female announcer ] now there's new neutrogena® naturals acne cleanser. acne medicine from the wintergreen leaf treats breakouts. no parabens or harsh sulfates.
apple also raising its dividends so apple shareholders will get a little bit of a payback if they hold the stock. john, back to you in boston. >> all right, thanks so much, christine. next, we just have an incredible story to tell you about. the hero who found the surviving boston bombing suspect. he will tell you how it all went down. and reports that dzhokhar tsarnaev is doing better this morning and there are demands that he be moved. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. as does former u.s....
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the one-time darling apple shedding near 6%, briefly breaking $400 a share for the first time in more than two years. that came on the heels of reports of dwindling demand for the ipad mini. >>> and google reports earnings topd and what could be a first for that company. it's trying to bargain opening a pair of $1,500 google glasses from selling or loaning them out. the company's terms of service specifically states, quote, you may resell, loan, transfer or give your device to any other person. google reserves the right to deactivate the device. end quote. >>> investigators in the boston marathon bombings have been pulling together an astounding amount of forensic evidence. and now have images of a potential bombing suspect, next. >>> now to the continuing investigation into who is behind the deadly bombings at the boston marathon. the headline on the front page of this morning's "boston globe" reporting "authorities now have an image of suspect." joining us now to discuss these latest is quint van sant. they're reporting an individual 6 feet tall wearing a baseball cap, what do you m
the one-time darling apple shedding near 6%, briefly breaking $400 a share for the first time in more than two years. that came on the heels of reports of dwindling demand for the ipad mini. >>> and google reports earnings topd and what could be a first for that company. it's trying to bargain opening a pair of $1,500 google glasses from selling or loaning them out. the company's terms of service specifically states, quote, you may resell, loan, transfer or give your device to any...
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apple had 18% drop in earnings the first drop for apple in a decade. >>> and now i want to return to our continuing coverage of the boston bombings. tonight we are learning more about the life of the tsarnaev brothers and what they were living like before their lallegd attack. there seems to be fancy cars and a will havish lifestyle. take a look at the photographs. it shows tamerlan tsarnaev looking what appears to be rather lavish lifestyle. talented boxer. pretty fancy clothes. but it may not have been the case. from what we can report, it appears tsarnaev was strapped for cash. relying on welfare up until last year. david mattingly is "outfront" and what have you learned about the finances of this family? [ no audio ] >> -- immigrant family that didn't have a lot. the father was a mechanic and the mother offered facials out of their small apartment. they did receive assistance from the state. this could have included temporary aid and food stamps. the tsarnaev brothers would have benefited from this when they were younger, getting government assistance through their parents. when
apple had 18% drop in earnings the first drop for apple in a decade. >>> and now i want to return to our continuing coverage of the boston bombings. tonight we are learning more about the life of the tsarnaev brothers and what they were living like before their lallegd attack. there seems to be fancy cars and a will havish lifestyle. take a look at the photographs. it shows tamerlan tsarnaev looking what appears to be rather lavish lifestyle. talented boxer. pretty fancy clothes. but...
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gene, why don't we start with apple. this has been an incredible run up and then an incredible drop. below $400. is this somewhere you saw the stock going? >> no way. this is -- we thought there was a floor at 450, so this is a lot lower than we thought it was going to go. >> and at this point, now that it has reached 400 at least in the intra day trade, does that worry you that there is still more room to decline or do you think at this point it's stabilized? >> we think there's an opportunity here. the street numbers still need to get reset. we're 10% below the street for the june quarter. i think once these estimates get reset, that's the point where investors are going to start to get interesting. the southside still hasn't taken those nebs down. that's the real challenge here. >> you thought 450 was the bottom at 455 or at -- when did you make that prediction sflp. >> yeah. it was about three weeks ago. we basically took our numbers down. >> so when it was at 750, you thought the bottom was 700. when it was 7 hup, y
gene, why don't we start with apple. this has been an incredible run up and then an incredible drop. below $400. is this somewhere you saw the stock going? >> no way. this is -- we thought there was a floor at 450, so this is a lot lower than we thought it was going to go. >> and at this point, now that it has reached 400 at least in the intra day trade, does that worry you that there is still more room to decline or do you think at this point it's stabilized? >> we think...
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if the syrian rebels to apple the government in damascus, they will work in concert with iraq's minority population to further destabilize his government. theour final mth is that isericans already -- myth the americans have already left. >> we have hundreds of personnel there. there is an american presence in iraq. >> your personal reaction to general petraeus's situation when he had to leave the cia and hadley mcchrystal when he to leave his post. what was your personal reaction? >> i was surprised by both. , a man who preaches great virtue. talk a lot about the importance of character. it was not something i expected. i am not the only one among the people who knew him to have been deeply surprised and saddened by that. i spent a lot of time with them. to say that did i was surprised his public affairs officer would not such particular ground rules with the reporter and i was give aed that he did not good spanking. instead, the president accepted his offer of resignation. >> when he wrote his book, he never named michael hastings. was that a smart thing to do? she never really explain
if the syrian rebels to apple the government in damascus, they will work in concert with iraq's minority population to further destabilize his government. theour final mth is that isericans already -- myth the americans have already left. >> we have hundreds of personnel there. there is an american presence in iraq. >> your personal reaction to general petraeus's situation when he had to leave the cia and hadley mcchrystal when he to leave his post. what was your personal reaction?...
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i think we are talking apples and oranges here. >> we have a lot of confusion here. this is where i disagree with juan. cases going back to the civil war. the president has the authority to declare somebody an enemy combatant. all that means when you talk to them. anything they tell you in the context of intelligence gathering cannot be used against them in a court of flaw a criminal proceeding. that's what the constitution says is that you have a right not to be compelled to incriminate yourself in a criminal proceeding. intelligence gathering thing there are all sorts of ways where you wall off what you get from his intelligence gathering. not poison a criminal case and every lawyer that has looked at this has said they don't need a confession from this guy. they have so much evidence that the idea that somehow if he tells them something he might get off no one thinks that's a possibility. i think, you know, jane harman on here on sunday was sort of indicative on this is that there is a lot of confusion between military tribunals and enemy combatants. can you be en
i think we are talking apples and oranges here. >> we have a lot of confusion here. this is where i disagree with juan. cases going back to the civil war. the president has the authority to declare somebody an enemy combatant. all that means when you talk to them. anything they tell you in the context of intelligence gathering cannot be used against them in a court of flaw a criminal proceeding. that's what the constitution says is that you have a right not to be compelled to incriminate...
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and it's an apples and oranges situation to say that somehow, you know, because we have these two losers who committed this heinous crime that, therefore, that casts dispersions on thousands of other people who are in this country and don't happen to have been natural born american citizens. that doesn't make them bad actors, bad people, or even any more likely to be suspicious as bad people. by the way, the bad guys, the obama administration has dramatically increased deportations as you know of the real criminals who we tend to be able to find and deport when necessary. >> mr. walsh? >> jonathan, these two guys, jonathan, these two guys weren't just losers. they were part of radical islam. they were radicalized. >> that's right. >> this is a threat we've known has existed for a number of years. >> it has nothing to do with the immigration bill. it's irrelevant. it's not being rushed through as you said. the bill has been pending for white a whi quite a while. >> jonathan, it's sophisticated mindsets like yours that get americans killed because you don't recognize we're at war. >> joe,
and it's an apples and oranges situation to say that somehow, you know, because we have these two losers who committed this heinous crime that, therefore, that casts dispersions on thousands of other people who are in this country and don't happen to have been natural born american citizens. that doesn't make them bad actors, bad people, or even any more likely to be suspicious as bad people. by the way, the bad guys, the obama administration has dramatically increased deportations as you know...
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the bill has the backing of mayor michael bloomberg would make the big apple the first big city to set the new age limit. right now you have to be 18 to buy a pack of cigarettes. >> the dutch have an out of this world offer they will fly you to mars for free. there's a catch. there's a one-way ticket. 10,000 people have applied for the 2022 michigan. mars 1 wants to establish a permanent human colony on the red planet. what do you think? >> i will wait for the next one. you? >> with a return flight, i will wait. >> all right. the president promised only high income earners would see their taxes go up. in a new report says every income level would pay more. diane macedo has the number for us. >> while the president's budget would mainly raise taxes on those earning 200,000 dollars or more a year a study finds that in 2015 under his budget nearly all taxpayers would be paying more taxes. according to that study 86 percent of the increases would come from people earning 200,000 a year due largely to scaling back tax breaks and disproportionate tax breaks and minimum level of taxation for
the bill has the backing of mayor michael bloomberg would make the big apple the first big city to set the new age limit. right now you have to be 18 to buy a pack of cigarettes. >> the dutch have an out of this world offer they will fly you to mars for free. there's a catch. there's a one-way ticket. 10,000 people have applied for the 2022 michigan. mars 1 wants to establish a permanent human colony on the red planet. what do you think? >> i will wait for the next one. you?...
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well, that's apples and oranges. but what you're asking is we have the moral authority to intervene, and i would say that we must. and that's how we reclaim the moral authority is to intervene in places where we can, where people want us to. and this is not an invasion of the drc. u.s. troops are in congo alongside the u.n. at the invitation of the congolese government, and it's not the faux invitation that baghdad extended the united states after the invasion. no, i mean, really congo needs help defeating this armed threat. and the way the united states can reclaim its moral authority as the world's leading military power is to use it wisely and for the right reasons. we shouldn't because we have erred, because we have sinned we should not cease doing good. the united states has done wrong, and this is how we can make up for it. >> okay. >> well, i understand your point, and it's a very good one. thank you, sir. >> yeah. i'll call -- i wanted to just add two words just to say that up until now it will, most recently
well, that's apples and oranges. but what you're asking is we have the moral authority to intervene, and i would say that we must. and that's how we reclaim the moral authority is to intervene in places where we can, where people want us to. and this is not an invasion of the drc. u.s. troops are in congo alongside the u.n. at the invitation of the congolese government, and it's not the faux invitation that baghdad extended the united states after the invasion. no, i mean, really congo needs...
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to apples comparison as you are describing there the you have a lot of worth tied up in real estate these countries but that real estate is now crashing plus you have social cohesion in these countries is falling apart unemployment is skyrocketing whereas you have very high employment in germany at some point the numbers don't really tell you the picture because in germany you have high unemployment you've got social programs that are funded in surplus so it's a really a good comparison it just seemed like a waiter rile up using the media and what you think definitely is a moving target i think the netherlands is a good example of what you're talking about because you know in the netherlands they're low they have low. per capita or actually lot household wealth but they also own the homes more than the germans it's just that they have a huge mortgage debt in in the netherlands and that's actually going down so they're good example how it's a moving target you can expect in spain for instance spent in slovenia where the two countries in the e.u. in the euro area that actually had the
to apples comparison as you are describing there the you have a lot of worth tied up in real estate these countries but that real estate is now crashing plus you have social cohesion in these countries is falling apart unemployment is skyrocketing whereas you have very high employment in germany at some point the numbers don't really tell you the picture because in germany you have high unemployment you've got social programs that are funded in surplus so it's a really a good comparison it just...
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big question, has the rest of the tech industry caught up with apple? is the shine off the apple? sorry, i had to use that terrible little pun. but still be watching apple. and another big story for you, the list is out. and sorry to all of you newspaper reporters out there, you officially have the worst job in america. >> the worst job? >> the worst job in america. with the median income of about $36,000 a year. career cast does this study every year. the results are based on things like income, industry outlook, stress, physical demands. >> so not happiness? >> happiness is in there. here's the rest of the top five worst jobs. lumberjack is number two, followed by enlisted military personnel, actor, and oil rig worker. so the best jobs in america? the number one job in america according to career cast an actuary, make about 87 grand a year, biomedical engineers, software engineers, an audiologist and financial planner round out the top five. when i look at the best jobs in america, all top ten or 20 of them, it's a lot of s.t.e.m. jobs, science, technology, engineering, math. a
big question, has the rest of the tech industry caught up with apple? is the shine off the apple? sorry, i had to use that terrible little pun. but still be watching apple. and another big story for you, the list is out. and sorry to all of you newspaper reporters out there, you officially have the worst job in america. >> the worst job? >> the worst job in america. with the median income of about $36,000 a year. career cast does this study every year. the results are based on...
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. >>> apple shares are higher after hours, revenue and profits came in better than expected. however, the guidance was disappointing. >>> also bullish news on housing did help stocks today. new home sales rose 1.5% in march. reversing a steep decline in february. that is it from cnbc, first in business worldwide. back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." in philadelphia, right now, the trial of an abortion doctor charged with the murder of babies, the prosecutorors say we born alive, is generating national headlines. of course, it was page 1 of today's "usa today" with the headline "gruesome testimony renews debate over abortion." i'm not sure about that, but it is is gruesome testimony. a grand jury report released in 2011 called the clinic a house of horrors. the bottom line remains this is a murder case. originally dr. kirmet was charged with seven counts of first-degree murder for killing babies that were allegedly born alive and viable. a judge threw out three of the seven murder charges. the judge did not explain his reasoning. reports indicated he did not hea
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apple on tuesday, a lot of you have been asking me about apple and what will happen with apple shares, tuesday we will get apple results. a lot to digest this week. $333 million, that's an estimate of how much it dos shut down boston and surrounding suburbs on friday. $333 million. the losses will likely be short-term for companies. boston is a big company getting back to work this monday morning. the boston metropolitan area produces $325 billion worth of goods and services every year. a little less than a billion dollars a day. the ninth gdp in the country. friday everything just stopped. businesses closed. public transit shut down. 16 of the area's 35 colleges closed campuses. most of the taxis were off the roads. shopping centers were shut. while many people worked from home or had the day off, some workers were very busy. thousands of law enforcement officials, hospital workers, hotel workers. there was overtime. where you saw some companies shut down, other area there's was economic activity. dunkin' donuts locations, some of them stayed open at the request of first responders w
apple on tuesday, a lot of you have been asking me about apple and what will happen with apple shares, tuesday we will get apple results. a lot to digest this week. $333 million, that's an estimate of how much it dos shut down boston and surrounding suburbs on friday. $333 million. the losses will likely be short-term for companies. boston is a big company getting back to work this monday morning. the boston metropolitan area produces $325 billion worth of goods and services every year. a...
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starting with apple's earnings, its quarterly results are expected to shrink for the first time in a decade. decade. iphone sales are in a slump. shares have plunged 55% over the past six months. >>> can you remember life before youtube? the website turned 8 years old today. >> here we are, one of thealfants. >> this clip is the very first youtube video. that is the website cofounder at the san diego zoo. >> business partners sold to google for a whopping $1.65 billion. ♪ >> that is the most watched video on youtube. "gangnam style" with more than $1.5 billion views. >> youtube has become the number one source of viral videos, cat videos in particular like this post showing a cat playing with a vacuum cleaner. what is it about cats on youtube? i don't know. this is one of the most watched videos this week. >> you are watching cnn news room live. we will have more on the boston investigation. >> stay with cnn. [ tires screech ] [ beeping ] ♪ [ male announcer ] we don't just certify our pre-owned vehicles. we inspect, analyze and recondition each one, until it's nothing short of a
starting with apple's earnings, its quarterly results are expected to shrink for the first time in a decade. decade. iphone sales are in a slump. shares have plunged 55% over the past six months. >>> can you remember life before youtube? the website turned 8 years old today. >> here we are, one of thealfants. >> this clip is the very first youtube video. that is the website cofounder at the san diego zoo. >> business partners sold to google for a whopping $1.65...
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. >> apples and oranges. you know, terry didn't say anything that was untruthful. they did exactly what they were asked to do back in 2011. f.b.i. conducted the interviews. whatever level of interview and experience the agent was, he concluded there was no information that would go forward to pose a terrorist threat. that being said, we had the information and the reason to do the interview. there is an entire section in the patriot act for sharing intelligence with local law enforcement agencies. that is the first question. did boston pd know this information and know that this person was interviewed? answer is no. second, exactly where is the f.b.i. agent that did this interview? has he disappeared from the planet? is he in the boston office? was he involved in the task force? did he see the photographs? did he get involved in this at all? did he know there was a bombing? did he come forward and say i interviewed a guy in boston that is russians thought was a jihad radical. how many times did russia send a clue about a jihadist extremist in boston? where is the i
. >> apples and oranges. you know, terry didn't say anything that was untruthful. they did exactly what they were asked to do back in 2011. f.b.i. conducted the interviews. whatever level of interview and experience the agent was, he concluded there was no information that would go forward to pose a terrorist threat. that being said, we had the information and the reason to do the interview. there is an entire section in the patriot act for sharing intelligence with local law enforcement...
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apple nearly beat expectations. 10 million more than it sold a year ago ipads and iphones. they would double returns to investors through stock buybacks and dividends. >> what else is going on? >> that's about it. >>> see what he nose about mr. deutschekay. >> mike allen knows about everything and has a look inside the playbook. what are the implications of the karate instructor in tupelo, mississippi? >> tough to top it. i will not try to say those names. >> good call. >>> despite the feet of background checks last week in the united states senate begun advocacy groups are trying to keep the pressure on congress and what impact will it feel like the horse left the barn last week? >> if we have the attention of anybody around the table, they will be happy to hear about this ad here at "morning joe." they have been saying that there should be attention paid to those people who voted against the increased background check. this group by gabby giffords. a tough ad. maggie haberman calls of a gut punch ad. going up against minimum -- mitch mcconnell and kelly ayotte. both of th
apple nearly beat expectations. 10 million more than it sold a year ago ipads and iphones. they would double returns to investors through stock buybacks and dividends. >> what else is going on? >> that's about it. >>> see what he nose about mr. deutschekay. >> mike allen knows about everything and has a look inside the playbook. what are the implications of the karate instructor in tupelo, mississippi? >> tough to top it. i will not try to say those names....
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report on orders for durable goods even some very ugly earnings from companies including boeing and apple failed to change the sentiment so far at least the trade is still in full swing now europe saw the fourth straight day of gains for its equities and that says the markets widely expect the c.b. to further cut the interest rates to actually record low especially as germany reports on and on expected slump in its business confidence more in just a moment as for the european currency it edged closer to a q week low against the dollar on wednesday here in russia the ruble managed to strengthen against both major currencies and higher oil prices no doubt played a role there we witnessed an incredibly good day on the russian equity markets in fact the biggest daily gains this so far this year for both of my six and the r.t.s. among the blue chips touched nafta and bruce hydro outperformed the market by far putting on eight and nine percent respectively now businesses in germany europe strongest economy are quite pessimistic about their future leaders business confidence data released on tue
report on orders for durable goods even some very ugly earnings from companies including boeing and apple failed to change the sentiment so far at least the trade is still in full swing now europe saw the fourth straight day of gains for its equities and that says the markets widely expect the c.b. to further cut the interest rates to actually record low especially as germany reports on and on expected slump in its business confidence more in just a moment as for the european currency it edged...
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we're work the big apple and little apple. thank you, maria. >> gretchen: coming up, as soon as he heard about the boston bombing, this vet picked up his flag and started waving to show terrorists they will never win. wait 'til you hear why he picked this bridge. grab the tissues. >> brian: and "fox & friends" is on a mission this morning to save more than 200 dogs and this one needs a name. we need a name. anna kooiman will explain how you can help @p@ñ@p@ñ when you're carrying forda lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. resulting in unexpected power and agility. experience the adventurous, all-powerful gator rsx850i. sixty-two horsepower, a fully independent multi-link suspension and a top speed of 53 miles per hour. it's a whole new species of gator. right now, visit your dealer or johndeere.com/gator to get $8
we're work the big apple and little apple. thank you, maria. >> gretchen: coming up, as soon as he heard about the boston bombing, this vet picked up his flag and started waving to show terrorists they will never win. wait 'til you hear why he picked this bridge. grab the tissues. >> brian: and "fox & friends" is on a mission this morning to save more than 200 dogs and this one needs a name. we need a name. anna kooiman will explain how you can help @p@ñ@p@ñ when...
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not doubt nasdaq and s&p bay area based apple will post earnings after the market closes. the commerce department announces morning that sales of new homes rebounded in march to the senate passed the sales pace in three years rising 1.5% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 417,000. that's still below the 700,000 pace considered healthy by most economists that is up 18.5% from a year ago. we will take it as a good sign. also following the latest whip bay area based on net flicks making headlines this morning. the company's decision to feature original programming on its internet video service appears to be pulling in more customers. in early february the company debuted a house of cards, a critically acclaimed series made exclusively for netflix. the move helped add to million u.s. subscribers during the first three months of the year. the company's stock surged 22% to $213 in overnight trading on that news. right now is at $216 a share. netflix saw losses this time last year, so this is a good week for netflix. >> tax-free shopping on the internet could be over under a
not doubt nasdaq and s&p bay area based apple will post earnings after the market closes. the commerce department announces morning that sales of new homes rebounded in march to the senate passed the sales pace in three years rising 1.5% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 417,000. that's still below the 700,000 pace considered healthy by most economists that is up 18.5% from a year ago. we will take it as a good sign. also following the latest whip bay area based on net flicks making...
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one quadruplets' tears, including two for its reports business abuses committed abroad by walmart and apple. to see our interviews, go to democracynow.org. today marks the 50th anniversary of reverend dr. martin luther king, jr.'s letter from a birmingham jail for it was written as a response to one alabama clergy who criticized king's actions during the birmingham campaign, a series of nonviolent sit ins and marches held to protest racial segregation. this is dr. king reading a pa of a letter he wrote in jail after he was arrested for defying a judge's ban on protests. >> you speak of our activity as extreme. was not jesus an extremist for love? bless them that curse you and pray for them which despite fully persecute you. we be extremists for the preservation of injustice, for the extension of justice. >> that was from the film "king ." those are some of the headlines. this is "democracy now!," democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with aaron matÉ. >> welcome to all our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. bombing from monday's at the
one quadruplets' tears, including two for its reports business abuses committed abroad by walmart and apple. to see our interviews, go to democracynow.org. today marks the 50th anniversary of reverend dr. martin luther king, jr.'s letter from a birmingham jail for it was written as a response to one alabama clergy who criticized king's actions during the birmingham campaign, a series of nonviolent sit ins and marches held to protest racial segregation. this is dr. king reading a pa of a letter...
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the boston bruins and the big apple circus also have postponed tonight's events. good reasoning for that. let's get the latest now, brian todd joining us. you've taken a close look moment by moment as we await the start of the news conference with the latest from law enforcement authorities. give us a picture of what has happened here for our viewers in the united states and around the world. >> it's an incredible picture, wolf. for the past 16 plus hours this has been one of the most intense man hunts in american history but it was at the point a little more than 24 hours ago when law enforcement gave us the first clear visual images of these suspects that really seem to set it all in motion. the release of the images on thursday afternoon let the suspects know the feds were on to them. even if the authorities didn't know their names yet or where to find them. >> we consider them to be armed and extremely dangerous. >> reporter: around 10:00 p.m. that night it all began to unravel. the suspects allegedly robbed a convenience store outside of boston in cambridge n
the boston bruins and the big apple circus also have postponed tonight's events. good reasoning for that. let's get the latest now, brian todd joining us. you've taken a close look moment by moment as we await the start of the news conference with the latest from law enforcement authorities. give us a picture of what has happened here for our viewers in the united states and around the world. >> it's an incredible picture, wolf. for the past 16 plus hours this has been one of the most...
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to google to facebook to apple. is apple up or is apple down. how are you guys doing? what's next for google? >> what's next is what's next for the last year, which is the shift to mobile. what we see every quarter in our business is we see more and more people moving to mobile phones and mobile tablets an moving away from personal commuters and macs. you see this in the industry. so the tools and techniques for mobility are just getting better. there's a whole new generation of companies and applications which are mobile first or mobile only you'll carry around. these application will make your life better. some will be from google, some will be from competitors. fact of the matter is we're all becoming much more reliant on these devices. >> isn't that remarkable. i'm sure you're 99% mobile, mr. space age whiz kid. but even i, at 50, i look at this thing now -- like it is the edsel. >> it's heavy. >> i never carry that on the plane. i've now got my ipad. we're playing with the surface as well. it is lighter, it can do everything that thing can do when i'm on a plane.
to google to facebook to apple. is apple up or is apple down. how are you guys doing? what's next for google? >> what's next is what's next for the last year, which is the shift to mobile. what we see every quarter in our business is we see more and more people moving to mobile phones and mobile tablets an moving away from personal commuters and macs. you see this in the industry. so the tools and techniques for mobility are just getting better. there's a whole new generation of companies...
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dow futures up 50 points ahead of earning points of apple and at&t. all right. do love your job, hate your job? the ab you'u annual list of bes worst jobs is out. and newspaper reporter is the worst of the worst. a poor industry outlook hurting the ranking. lumberjack second worst, followed by enlisted military personnel. actor and oil rig worker. the best job in america is an actuary. about $87,000 a year. biomedical and software engineers are next. audiologist and financial planner round out the top five. they look at everything from physical exertion on the job to happiness to pay to satisfaction overall. john. >> all right. thanks so much, christine romans. ahead on "starting point," the surviving boston bombing suspect appears to be cooperating with authorities. how does that affect the prosecution's case? we'll look at the legal road ahead with cnn's senior analyst jeffrey toobin. >>> plus, neil diamond's "sweet caroline," become an an them th. but the songwriter is working on something new. we will have details they are so good, so good, so good. details
dow futures up 50 points ahead of earning points of apple and at&t. all right. do love your job, hate your job? the ab you'u annual list of bes worst jobs is out. and newspaper reporter is the worst of the worst. a poor industry outlook hurting the ranking. lumberjack second worst, followed by enlisted military personnel. actor and oil rig worker. the best job in america is an actuary. about $87,000 a year. biomedical and software engineers are next. audiologist and financial planner round...
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from los angeles, with more than three-hour delays overnight, to denver, to the big apple. new york's three airports at one point averaging three-hour delays. >> a little frustrating, especially at 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. >> reporter: some of the delays were weather-related. among the three-hour delays, the new york to washington, d.c. shuttle. not to rub salt in anyone's wounds. but the train would have gotten them there faster. >> because of sequestration, the line to take off was over an hour long. >> reporter: the faa is blaming the delays on across-the-board budget cuts which, it says, forced it on to furlough 15,000 air traffic controllers and other workers and were spacing out flights in the name of safety. several hundred flights delayed, less than the agency's prediction of 6,700 daily flight delays. but transportation secretary ray lahood warns abc, we might see an airplane apocalypse yet. >> we did not take into account weather activities. these delays could get extended beyond the 60 to 90 minutes. >> reporter: late monday, i decided to investigate the delays
from los angeles, with more than three-hour delays overnight, to denver, to the big apple. new york's three airports at one point averaging three-hour delays. >> a little frustrating, especially at 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. >> reporter: some of the delays were weather-related. among the three-hour delays, the new york to washington, d.c. shuttle. not to rub salt in anyone's wounds. but the train would have gotten them there faster. >> because of sequestration, the line to...
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this is very much a story of apple pie and chevrolet neighborhood, today, after all that horrific violence that happened in the community, all that fear that happened in the community, they were shutdown, families are out. you see people walking their dogs, you see little kids setting up a lemonade stand, one little girl telling me she is going to take the proceeds from that stand and give them to victims of the bombing, real heartwarming stories, you see a lot of folks from the surrounding boston area who just wanted to come into watertown and see what was going on, even taking pictures. one lady had a good sense of humor about it on the street where the shootout happened early on friday, she goes, my car sustained bomb damage, my husband's sustained bullet damage. i hope that's covered by our insurer. there's a little lightness here and there on the serious side, over on franklin street exwhere the second suspect was ultimately found, craig, that is still very much an active crime scene. when we went over there we saw fbi investigators still combing through it the street is shut off, onl
this is very much a story of apple pie and chevrolet neighborhood, today, after all that horrific violence that happened in the community, all that fear that happened in the community, they were shutdown, families are out. you see people walking their dogs, you see little kids setting up a lemonade stand, one little girl telling me she is going to take the proceeds from that stand and give them to victims of the bombing, real heartwarming stories, you see a lot of folks from the surrounding...
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just very quickly because i know that apple has run. on north korea and the peninsula, i will just repeat again, president park has a new policy called trust politic, and she wants to reach out to the north. she can't do that in the middle of this kind of process. my hope would be that the chinese will come to the table in a way that they never have before. that we can work with the chinese to redefine what's in all of our interests, which is a kind of stability in the peninsula moving north to denuclearization, and ultimately hopefully and integration into the community of nations. based on economic reform, which china, the united states, others could become engaged in. and that could ultimately even open up the possibility of president parks outreach to be able to have an impact. absent china coming to that table, i believe kim jong-un calculates literally calculates that i can get away with anything if china isn't going to hold me accountable. and so that's where we are stuck mr. adam kinzinger. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you
just very quickly because i know that apple has run. on north korea and the peninsula, i will just repeat again, president park has a new policy called trust politic, and she wants to reach out to the north. she can't do that in the middle of this kind of process. my hope would be that the chinese will come to the table in a way that they never have before. that we can work with the chinese to redefine what's in all of our interests, which is a kind of stability in the peninsula moving north to...
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the apple has changed the way so many people discover music, giving you several ways to find songs based on twitter activity that will bring the most popular tracks and emerging singers. the new app puts art tests front and center. you can go to their profile to see what they listen to. think of it as maybe like a 21st century mix tape if you will. >> the mix tape. >> by the way, the birthday girl has no idea what a mix tape is. >> i do. maybe a mix cd. >> you don't remember it. >> i got to test it out. i was like, that's kind of cool. i'm following about 63 art tests. i can see who they are following. >> it's pretty cool. >> a great idea. >> did you make mix tapes? >> oh, yes. like the spring break mix tape. the breakup mix tape. the i'm in love mix tape. then you make a tape for your boyfriend and give it to him for him to listen to. >> it's now on your phone. >> there you go. >> would you ever imagine that a tabloid could play cupid? that seems to be the case for gwyneth paltrow. she said they were responsible for her and chris martin getting together. it was reported that they were h
the apple has changed the way so many people discover music, giving you several ways to find songs based on twitter activity that will bring the most popular tracks and emerging singers. the new app puts art tests front and center. you can go to their profile to see what they listen to. think of it as maybe like a 21st century mix tape if you will. >> the mix tape. >> by the way, the birthday girl has no idea what a mix tape is. >> i do. maybe a mix cd. >> you don't...
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continuing with technology, the front page of the wall street journal, apple and snaps its growth streak. the company posted its first profit drop in a decade and signaled that new products may not arrive as quickly as investors had hoped. the company sold 10 million more i phones and ipads in the latest quarter than it did a year ago. that underscores the resilience of its franchise amid competition from samsung . a full-page ad from samsung in the usa today newspaper. also in the washington post yesterday. if they continue on inside "usa 8 full page ads by samsung. dan in tulsa, oklahoma? go ahead. isler: on this sales tax, it a pretty good idea. what would they use the money for? would it be for good cause? host: the states would be collecting the sales tax. senator durbin said it could be used for education and other areas to pay off debts, etc. caller: we spend more than anybody else on education, don't we? host: so and you don't like the idea? if somebody invents a way to make a profit and develop a better way to make a profit, then why should you penalize them? host: all right. fr
continuing with technology, the front page of the wall street journal, apple and snaps its growth streak. the company posted its first profit drop in a decade and signaled that new products may not arrive as quickly as investors had hoped. the company sold 10 million more i phones and ipads in the latest quarter than it did a year ago. that underscores the resilience of its franchise amid competition from samsung . a full-page ad from samsung in the usa today newspaper. also in the washington...
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apple's profits falls for the first time in a decade and the firm is forecasting slower growth. still, the maker of ipads and ipods plans to return $100 billion to investors by 2015 in the form of stock buybacks and higher dividends. apple's rival, samsung, begins opening its stores within a store at 1,400 best buys nationwide today. and the market's on a three-day win streak following tuesday's gains. back to you. >> mary thompson at the new york stock exchange, thank you. >>> a police officer in columbia performed an amazing save when a man on a commuter platform allegedly tried to hurl himself in front of an oncoming plane. while the police officer nabbed him by the back of his shirt, threw him to the ground, saved his life. thank goodness for that. 7:15 right now. back to matt, savannah, and al. >> all right, thank you so much. >>> mr. roker's got a check of the weather. >> got a lot of cold air to talk about, especially out west. let's show you what we've got. first of all, we're talking about frost advisories, freeze warnings, and hard freeze warnings, stretching from the
apple's profits falls for the first time in a decade and the firm is forecasting slower growth. still, the maker of ipads and ipods plans to return $100 billion to investors by 2015 in the form of stock buybacks and higher dividends. apple's rival, samsung, begins opening its stores within a store at 1,400 best buys nationwide today. and the market's on a three-day win streak following tuesday's gains. back to you. >> mary thompson at the new york stock exchange, thank you. >>> a...
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highest25% of our scoring companies between 1990 an2005, inclu intel, , they apple, the day appoint thousands of people here in the united states. they are greek a. they are ben by immigrants. that is something which should be thinking about. >> i would hope so. the evidence is quite clear on the capacity of immigration. i havehe time remaining, you released this analysis to quell the immigration reform. it can boost the american economy by as much as 1% every year. or reduce the deficit by as much as support for a trillion dollars. -- as much as 1.5 trillion dollars. do you want to elaborate on that? >> i could say a couple of things. >> economic growth comes from growth in people and their growth and activity. immigration controls both sides of the labor force anson's immigrants tend to work more you get labor force growth. as you mentioned the of to give small businesses and doctors that raise productivity of those workers. and their benefits to the overall economic growth, thus raising productivity for the -- productivity. that -- i did not taylor that estimate to 2013, 2014, 2015. this b
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now discover caramel apple filled werther's original. what if you could save over $500 bucks a year by changing one small thing? yeah, let's do it! let's do it. the average fast food breakfast can run you over $4 a meal per person. i know. walmart has a ton of breakfast options. a meal like this costs about $1.64 per serving. if you replace just one fast food breakfast each week with a breakfast like this from walmart, your family of four can save over $500 bucks a year. wow, that's amazing! and i could cook for you. [ male announcer ] save money on a delicious breakfast with kraft american singles and oscar mayer fully cooked bacon with our low price guarantee. walmart. >>> time for webtastic, when our very own sara haines finds videos that can puts a smile on your face. >> we've got a cat that really doesn't want to take a bath. >> tigger the cat seems to be saying no every time his owner puts him near the water. >> she said he really needed a bath. >> like really needed a bath. >> is that a baby? >> no, that's the cat saying no. he's
now discover caramel apple filled werther's original. what if you could save over $500 bucks a year by changing one small thing? yeah, let's do it! let's do it. the average fast food breakfast can run you over $4 a meal per person. i know. walmart has a ton of breakfast options. a meal like this costs about $1.64 per serving. if you replace just one fast food breakfast each week with a breakfast like this from walmart, your family of four can save over $500 bucks a year. wow, that's amazing!...
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. >> it's interesting, that's the same thing people said about the shares of apple when they were selling off, that you had to sell your winners to pay for other stuff. >> if you need liquidity, you go where -- >> i think it's more japan than cyprus, don't you think? >> it's more dependent on cyprus? >> no. more japan than cyprus. >> there were rumors that cyprus was selling gold. >> i saw those rumors. >> to get it started, there were so many -- and it was pointed out yesterday, i think i was reading something from peter chip, who loves gold, that when it went up to a thousand or 1200, maybe that was all fundamentally true. but then once it went up to 1200, but then once all the investment guys that were having trouble getting returned in equities, once they saw that there was momentum there, all kinds of investment money went into it to try to chase return. >> but he was saying 1200 is fundamental? that's still down a couple hundred from where it is now. >> there were people saying 1260 people last week saying 800 or 900. >> so does bid coin track gold? >> apparently. apparently it coll
. >> it's interesting, that's the same thing people said about the shares of apple when they were selling off, that you had to sell your winners to pay for other stuff. >> if you need liquidity, you go where -- >> i think it's more japan than cyprus, don't you think? >> it's more dependent on cyprus? >> no. more japan than cyprus. >> there were rumors that cyprus was selling gold. >> i saw those rumors. >> to get it started, there were so many --...
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he did make an effort to make it more nutritionally balanced by adding fresh carrots and apple slices and immediately realized they would not last more than a week. much less the months that the lunchables needs to stay either in the warehouses or the supermarket waiting for someone to buy it. and after, i mean, it became a huge hit. the first year it exceeded, i think it hit $218 million in sales. it was astounding. nobody had expected it to take off like that. they came up with other lunchables including pizza lunchables, hamburgers, hot dogs, all eaten cold by kids. and when they stopped to think about it, they realized that it wasn't the food that the kids were attracted to, it was the badge value, the status symbol of bringing this cute, adorable lunchables to the lunchroom, opening it up, and all your friends gathering around and seeing you put it together and eat it. so -- and they came up with this incredible marketing slogan hitting on that which is for kids, all day you've got to do what they say, but lunchtime is all yours. the marketing power as much as using salt, sugar,
he did make an effort to make it more nutritionally balanced by adding fresh carrots and apple slices and immediately realized they would not last more than a week. much less the months that the lunchables needs to stay either in the warehouses or the supermarket waiting for someone to buy it. and after, i mean, it became a huge hit. the first year it exceeded, i think it hit $218 million in sales. it was astounding. nobody had expected it to take off like that. they came up with other...